enjoying a little rainbow history

.. type read at the mo by Art Kleps.
He likes Ethan Allen (for his 'individualism and irreverence'), some fratricidal militant from Vermont ... 'imputed righteousness' features bigger than most in the google books tag-cloud for a 286K screed called 'Reason: The Only Oracle Of Man' ... found 2 online versions via wiki ... here are the 3x the phrase is found:

The reverend gentleman heard me through patiently, and with candor replied, "your metaphysical reasoning are not to the purpose; inasmuch as you are a Christian, and hope and expect to be saved by the imputed righteousness of Christ to you; for you may as well be imputedly sinful as imputedly righteous. Nay, said he, if you hold to the doctrine of satisfaction and atonement by Christ, by so doing you pre-suppose the doctrine of apostasy or original sin to be in fact true; for said he, if mankind were not in a ruined and condemned state by nature, there could have been no need of a redeemer, but each individual would have been accountable to his creator and judge, upon the basis of his own moral agency.

Notwithstanding, said he, if you will give me a philosophical explanation of original imputed righteousness, which you profess to believe, and expect salvation by, then I will return you a philosophical explanation of the doctrine of original sin; for it is plain, said he, that your objections lie with equal weight against original imputed righteousness, as against original imputed sin." Upon which I had the candor to acknowledge to the worthy ecclesiastic, that upon the Christian plan, I perceived that the argument had fairly terminated against me.

Synchronicity and the Plot/Plot, Arthur Kleps (1966)
http://www.maps.org/psychedelicreview/v1n8/018123kle.pdf

maps.org/psychedelicreview/
11 issues here

http://www.maps.org/psychedelicreview/v1n8/psychreview08.pdf
the one that article is in

page 83 of the same issue is the first of an article on DMT by Leary and on the facing page is a drawing of what seems a garden path drawing before one realizes there is a face encompassing the whole thing, as if it carried an asymmetric tattoo ... speaking of which .... one of your links led me to view Pull out - a great documentary of a jewish NY lass visiting old flames.

Guns and alcohol dimmed Arthur Kleps' brilliance into a hindsight affair ... he did get to be 70 though.

He wrote a very right on comment in 'millbrook' about the type of art you find here: myspace.com/amygdalah1

Without some standardization of images, there could be no standardization of words, which are just the abstract labels given to certain impressions or classes of impressions. Those impressions which have the characteristics we categorize as belonging to a "living being" or "entity" and which play a persistent and/or decisive part in the story of one's life, myth, book, memory, drama, history, dream or whatever are "the archetypes."

To the occultist, of course, they are "more" than that, in the sense by which occultists mean "more", that is to say, the paranoid sense of "having (quantifiable, physical) power." Since the ludicrous illogic of "ethereal mechanics" is a topic I have dealt with elsewhere, I will try not to waste much time on it here, but proceed on the assumption that, since everything is psychological, everything is
psychological. Elephants and whales are not the gods of my dreams, any more than giant Castanedian fleas or ambulatory roots. The gods of my dreams are my closest friends, enemies, rivals, lovers, since they mean the most to me... and, not being paranoid, I do not grant to coercive power relations the highest place in my scheme of meaning. My wife is the greatest of my archetypes (it we leave aside, for a moment, that fellow I see in the mirror).


All in all, comparing footage of 78 rainbow gatherings with contemporary ones, and comparing Kleps with synchromystic pods (link below), it seems to me we (apart from myself waaayyy out in 'downfield') are not progressing very much.


Kleps from his 1973 THE EXCOMMUNICATION OF TIMOTHY LEARY:
Let's leave aside the possibility that all of this is an outright fraud, which would involve the invention of impressions and misrepresentation of experience. I will grant that Dr. Leary may have heard voice telling him what he says it told him, and this voice may have been accompanied by images of great clarity, brilliance,
detail and depth showing what might be called a comet streaking through the void, dancing double helixes, saints attending graduate school and what not. Maybe a variety of incidents in his everyday life have shown a synchronistic tendency to illustrate and elaborate the same images present in the vision and the ideas he had about them.
......
It would be absurd to read the works of Leary for philosophical instruction. The utmost that may be expected from any system promulgated by him is that it may be splendid and affecting, that it may suggest sublime and pleasing images. His scheme of philosophy is a mere daydream, a poetical creation, like the Domdaniel cavern, the Swerga, or Padalon; and, indeed, it bears no inconsiderable resemblance to those gorgeous visions. Like them, it has some-thing of invention, grandeur, and brilliancy. But, like them, it is grotesque
and extravagant.
....
(Nabokov also described himself as an "indivisible monist," and even went a bit further, in a glint here and hint there, in his later years. See_Strong Opinions_.)
....
Tim's basic method in those days, I later found out, was to attempt to structure other people's LSD experience in terms of the _ Tibetan Book of the Dead_, which is the prime text of the most supernaturalist, deviant and degenerated form of "Buddhism" on earth, namely, Tibetan Lamaism.

It's great stuff for the social control of an ignorant peasantry, and
that's about it. A first-class horror show to terrify the kiddies into
mindless obedience. An infallible Priest-King. Ruthless taxation to
build gigantic edifices for the religious bureaucracy.
Institutionalized pederastic, homosexual buggery ("celibacy"). Why go
so far afield when we have so much of that so much closer to home,
like in Massachusetts?

Many people who never have visionary experience on LSD learn just as much as those who do, if not more. Elaborate embellishments, crazy or not, tend to distract attention from the present and stagnate thought in a morass of enigmatic imagery.

A succession of fantastic spectacles is all well and good, but people must learn to ask the right questions before they can get the right answers. Preposterous stories and garish interior decorations never sent any steamboats up the Ganges.

The more I learned, the more inexplicable, except as a cash cow, Tim's pushing of the _TBD_ at the very start of things appeared. It was as if he deliberately and with malice aforethought polluted the Psychedelian cultural stream at its source and gave half the people in Psychedelian society (Lennon being a notable example of a good recovery) a bad set to start out with.

For years afterwards, kids told me they had, as novices, attempted to use the _TBD_ as a "guide," and they all reported anxiety attacks and various kinds of craziness leading to eventual frustration and exasperation, for which, at least at first, they had blamed themselves, not Tim or the book. They were not worthy of getting fucked over by class-A Tibetan spooks, or something like that. You had
to be a big wheel like Tim, Dick or Ralph to deserve truly ghastly eeriness of this magnitude. To get the Lord of Death on your case maybe you needed a Ph.D., preferably from Harvard.

It's true that Tim, as a good, crucifix-wearing Papist boy, had been brought up to believe in the efficacy of god/human sacrifice by means of prolonged torture and all kinds of related Judeo-psychotic ideation, with the usual consequences, and for a short time early in his Psychedelian career had imagined his "head was melting and running down" over his shoulders (personal communication) so I don't claim he projected darkness when all was sweetness and light within. Even so,
why push one's personal nightmares on the public? He never talked that way in private, as far as I know.


I will now quote his Hume quote in a small section he named 'IMPORTANT NOTICE' preceded by the comment that i realize/suspect it just has to have been meant and intended as a piece of intricate humor, in gest, a joke, well kneaded, like good bread.

_Philosophers are so far from rejecting the opinion of a continued
existence upon rejecting that of our sensible perceptions, that tho'
all sects agree in the latter sentiment, the former, which is, in a
manner, its necessary consequence, has been peculiar to a few
extravagant skeptics; who after all maintained that opinion in words
only, and were never able to bring themselves sincerely to believe
it._ --David Hume, _A Treatise of Human Nature_

... this comes a the end of a section added in 1990 in which Robert Funk oddly enough places himself (or Kleps hisself by way of prehumous eulogy?) outside (downfield?) all his alongsiders and contemporaries as the epitome of Kleptonianism . .. it seems to have been spoken in Amsterdam.

this is how it is decribed:
PREFACE
1990: The author's well-deserved reputation among persons of good will
and sound mind is briefly described by the Archon of Alaska.


Getting back to the Psychedelic Reviews, number 11 (last one, early 70s) has loads of art (17 Meg pdf for 95 pages) and features Ira Einhorn

See this (bloomsday 2006):
grouchogandhi.com/2006/06/pkd-
unicorn-and-soviet-psychotronics.html

number 7 has a john blofeld article
number 4 has james joyce on peyote (!??!??!?!?!)

'the sociology of the now' by Ira Einhorn occupies p52-58 - there is no table of contents but other than that and aside from the art and believer bloviation (Kleps coined 'Blobovians') it looks at least semi-professional and gives no indication that this was the last issue .. but it is the last one online at the page i found them:

Einhorn in his 69 postscript:
We need an inner transformation that would generate the energy necessary to repair the destruction that our completely outered life has visited upon the entire eco-system -- only te opening up of new inner channels will enable the system-as-a-whole to drain off some of the energy that is now building up, explosively, at certain localized points. The old symbols are not able to contain the new energy -- the goose step once shook off the goose flesh, but the flag no longer brings a tear to the eyes. Authority is shifting to the within, and we must remember that 'God' is the ultimate fascist.

before the last alinea he quotes Huxley:
Thus we tend to produce more adrenalin than is good for us, and we either suppress ourselves and turn destructive energies inward or else we do not supress ourselves and we start hitting people.

He then (further?) prophesizes 'a plague', given his connection with 9-11 (day of his arrest) one might well concede his point. His last line: 'Purification is coming'.

-----------------------------

http://labyrinthofthepsychonaut.podomatic
.com/entry/2010-03-04T01_07_35-08_00">Click
he chats with someone from the avalon forum ... nearly halfway the vagus nerve comes up. 10% smaller than the others, related to tithes (not working it is missing tithe payments). Divine economy within. Head over there on the decimotion double Drew!!!!!

News = north east, west, south, which makes a zigzag right? Stick that into a Walter Russell diagram guys! and see if it arranged to chill or warm us. It is all very Glen Kealyish but stay away from him, he wants to bomb iran.

haiti New orleans new york form a triangle wherein SW lives ... Florida? ... pi ... broken arrow ... bla bla bla.

metal to restrain the flesh:
a GaGa vid: youtube.com/watch?v=GQ95z6ywcBY
I was the 22.263.005th viewer, arrived via Terry, a show/spin-buzz-trivia blogger at/as occult mosaic, who comments at Steve W's .. view this as an illustration of jeffrey turner's take on TW's relation to the manson family. Conclusion: Asperger's have do not have a spit spat spate more imagination than synchromystics.

paralellogrammar

wallstreetwatch.org/soldoutreport.htm
march 4th 09 (found via ira Glazer at LBO-talk, he titled it 'Economists are the forgotten guilty men'), the opening line goes: "The financial sector invested more than $5 billion in political influence purchasing in Washington over the past decade .."

"Congress and the Executive Branch," says Robert Weissman of Essential Information and the lead author of the report, "responded to the legal bribes from the financial sector, rolling back common-sense standards, barring honest regulators from issuing rules to address emerging problems and trashing enforcement efforts. The progressive erosion of regulatory restraining walls led to a flood of bad loans, and a tsunami of bad bets based on those bad loans. Now, there is wreckage across the financial landscape."

Anybody notice a few pearls to add to my dust / volcanism / credit paralellogrammar?

giving dust full meaning

Polvo, poudre, .. the pile of pulverized minerals mixed with powdered poison ... thinking WTC yet? ... from top of the (nonetheless archaically towering) line evildoish toy arrays ... arrays with which to votivation-fraudulently myriadize and mirroply and multirate, in one word, portray themselves ... as the heights of civility and propriety (respectable and legitimate to the point of the occasional surreptitious crowning glory pinnacle worthiness of the real culprits in between a relentless stream of doubles, pawns and stand-ins filling that slottage).
waarnemen is quadrupling (4 way split) value as:
1 observe
2 opp seize
3 perceive
4 measure
which reflects the heroic attempt to tread, tiptoe, skate and march onto the multifractitious battlefields of meaning (ID, transparancy, etcerera) integration.

A 37 YO firefighter (i heard on the BBC worldservice the latter part of march) who did steady duty at Ground Zero is one of the 17 with thyroid cancer (normal rate is 17 every 100.000 .... how many firefighters sent into the dustpile?). Another number i did not catch right is the amount spent to fight claims but it sounded like billions vs the 6x 200K actually paid to self-sacrificials, overly dutyful, heroic (etcetera) victims.

The dust-pile was intentionally made (wether by Pazuzu boys, Ashkinnazi, or stations in between like catholics, illuminati i care not) to instill (with brandlike searing scourge for sure) an association with toxicity and the outrage over injustice i noted will swell like the catholic childabuse cases, whipping into the final stretch after a long tale that started with Canadian residential school cases a decade ago - see Jim Craven (jew/blackfoot and louis proyect, his buddy, little nerdy despot bigmouth mama baby goldman sachs marxist) even though it concerns a single point rather than the whole globe.

This whole debacle cut my steady climb towards helping a sounding thought -- dust is The Preeminent preemptive perse, and therefore .... massively as well as easily* massifiable meme, make that finger rubbing wealth gesture mixing it will daily fare both in and out and your immunity shoots up through the roof, spending shade and sustenance.... speaking of skylight, turnover, new leafs turning over, overturn ... well maybe soon sometime -- reach critical mass: the insight that crush and humble crumble equal credit of the sort all beings near enough instantly profit from (that is a matter of effectively targeting rain and shine with it, the solar guys often neglect the first and push their favorite pole forwards to the point they lose sight of half of themselves, thereby becoming all the more significant and other, not to say sore, making a perhaps too fine point of it).

* that is, only when folks are easy on each other, ease each other and in generally under the influence of as favorable as exceedingly rare (flawlessly executed non-profit accreditation and voluntarizing) moods and circumstance.

Speaking of polarity though, a near facetless and simplistic flip will right their (the evildoer's) twist of (that humble crush) truth.
They turned it into humiliation and crushed pride used to prod the populace into outraged screaming for war

... sent to larry along with some jeff turner youtube links and intro remarks

... forgot 'cross' in there someplace, meant to squeeze it in but then that slipped my mind in the wirl of talkum tumblery.

Frenetic, heretic, genetic Babylon

Most of mankind helps desertification along terrifically, better than termites do. I have long believed that could be remedied. But the good guys remain exception due to lack of promotion. Taking hints from crippled and hampered visionaries is further complicated and obstructed by the fact these guys and dolls are so easy to smear and scapegoat. Most of them are heir to heisters like the present day Goldman Sachsy folk, but despite being badly tainted heritage wise, great heights can be attained. Think of the micro-credit promotion by the heir of a murderous regime adopted as the queen a continent away. Same old royalty tricks to keep the money in the family? Maybe. Derailery imminent like the whole credit card gambit caused by stagnant wages. Prolly. Still, there are hi-lite worthies i hope to do a few youtube talks about (since nobody else seems to all that much) though i am entirely passive about realizing that, other than throwing out expressions of willingness such as this one, As it stands, emulation changes of unknowns nil.

Now, onto destruction of climate, one region at a time, cumulative and falling over itself by now.

Before yet again believing everything our war on terror disher-uppers pour and hand out at their next level jumpin bigger bash, before keeping on drawing the same old familiar conclusions from jewry ido- and adulate christendom, before voting for christians another time, before once more repeating passive consumership for the multiculture pushers, i beg, beseech and implore you, please, also read Andrew Lehman and Kevin Macdonald along with Hitlerite material, as well as folks like Kafka. Next, try grasp what Ulrich von Beckerath saw was the history of economics at its now forgotten zenith, then apply common sense of stepped, staggered, staged, telescoping and harmonious hinging of puzzle peaces longer to just flat number and thought land but flesh them out via such new fangled must have plastic toys like the hoberman sphere before attempting to spy the genetic /evolutionary /group strategy corrolaries i am taking aim at here. I assure you to have discovered plenny. To wit, the attempt to raise and manage a spike in hierarchical and stratific pyramid theory ....jewry's aims to cover all bases with all ranks from rigorous, precise and exact to liminal, indeterminate and doppeldeutig, 'bloodlinearized mesiachism, all ethnicities under command of the *purest* of them, the AshkeNAZI theory they briefly infected a people up to then most innocent of such clandominated globalist invasive species machinations with. Look at Israel and tell me if they are not seizing every hybridization opp to load it with a real instance. I maintain that this way of risk spreading is counterproductive although i can readily sympathize with reaching into the bag, take aim type dosage fetishes, as long as rules are strictly emulative and imitative of nature rather than reaching in way too deep (inverse of the steep i noted), manipulatively recombinant. So seercentre YES hedweb NO.

*purest*
http://coteret.com/2010/01/06/sheizaf-liberal-jews-and-israel-a-case-of-split-personality-disorder/

Orthodox Jewish establishment has an official statues in Israel (unlike most Western countries, state and religion are not separated here, and the chief Orthodox Rabbi has a position similar to this of a supreme court justice). The same Orthodox establishment is very hostile to non-Orthodox Jews, which happen to make most of the American Jewish community.


The clean reliable and steady embeddiment with little individual freedom practiced by ancient cultures -- nobody at command of very many, nobody singled out, no commanding others to divide labour and help him push his dream forwards no matter how tempting the trajectories that propel a society away from labour in parallel to labour save here and employed there his inventions ... simply cause they are seen as detractions from each and every's autonomization pleasure -- is traded for a far more burdened one, a murkier, more precipitous and anxiety ridden (and hence security obsessed) pressure to improvise and invent.
For a less clumsily formulated and much longer digest of the same timespan magnitude turn to read Andro Linklater at http://www.Prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/12/a-place-of-ones-own

All (the above) due to the shallowing and silting up of cultural memory (multilayered filters which clog and block when the holes increase yet seethroughs and vistas decline), destroying it where they find it and putting propaganda machines in their place. Remember, the most recognizable forebear of our present day media is the bible and there still is no substitute for it, the Mcluhan container theory has proved productive alrite, but he discounted side-effects due to bad choices in containment attempts, they all proved way too leaky so far, perhaps he did not quite understand Joyce as much as thought he did, let alone 'content', misunderstood as much as 'organization' is methinks.
Here's a hint (or 2):
minimally spaced (tight) and timed vs rhythmic swell and pulse
audible crumble vs silent assembly
of course there is as little vs here as between yin and yang.

Ps: Goldstone at Yale: It used to be the South Africans, he said with equanimity. There were many more UN resolutions passed against South Africa than against Israel.

ps2: this must be one of the dangerous schizophrenics we are failing to lock up according to dutch media on the 11th of march: Steven Plaut is a professor at Haifa University. He can be contacted at steveneplaut@yahoo.com

easily the most educational (bit)vid i found in 3 years

somewhere in the middle of a comment string

10 comments i posted here http://naturalresonancerevolution.blogspot.com/2010/02/with-math-rot-hopefully-via-music.html this morn

piet said...

land, circa miskno territory, except the indians did it with lightbeams instead of chemicals, passing to target through crystal erected on a far away hillside sacred medicine wheel ground.

http://piglipstick.blogspot.com/2010/02/when-us-poisoned-entire-french.html
Tuesday, February 09, 2010
When The US Poisoned An Entire French Community With Hallucinogens
piglipstick's headline (he is given to write very little other than link text, much like Rowan)

French Government Queries U.S. State Dept. about LSD Attack, Prompted by New Book Release -- http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=3502

"Prompted by a new book release, the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research has received a confidential inquiry from the office of Erard Corbin de Mangoux, head of the French intelligence agency, Directorate General for External Security (DGSE), concerning a recent account of American government complicity in a mysterious 1951 incident of mass insanity in France. The DGSE is the French counterpart of the CIA.
http://aterriblemistake.com/


quite a few posts later he still has insanity on his mind and actually writes a few lines about it too:

Capitalism Goes Short On It's Own Death - http://piglipstick.blogspot.com/2010/02/capitalism-goes-short-on-its-own-death.html

It's the sad truth that when people profit on bad things happening, rest assured that we'll see them occur. Here's positive proof capitalism is total insanity.
Guess who will be tapped to cover unlimited losses?

Citi plans crisis derivatives - http://www.risk.net/risk-magazine/news/1590861/citi-plans-crisis-derivatives

"Credit specialists at Citi are considering launching the first derivatives intended to pay out in the event of a financial crisis"

too bad this blog misses out on comment cult... 'florishmentation'

http://www.1stheadlines.com/

Here he is quoting some body but it might as well be me talking about him ... and i would add: better switch from bullets to bits, easier to carry and they travel quicker, more powerful than monies, gods and golds:

http://www.resistnet.com/profiles/blogs/a-novel-idea-register-nongun
He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" bythe government as well as criminals.
February 26, 2010 12:55 AM


piet said...

about that last post of yours, read mailstar.net material and then neoteny .... then those few lines about the kahalian eggings on' (early marriages, demographic incontinence, foetus/alien connection), then Robert Friedman on Mafiya. Voila, mysteries on till well into the future solved.
February 26, 2010 12:59 AM

piet said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVFgV9-ISTM
BRILL!!!! Great diggin my drewsyness
February 26, 2010 1:29 AM

piet said...

i am the 355th viewer and i have to say allie ally, as one lover of trees (and folkalley) to another, this is easily the most educational vid i found in 3 years worth of occasional searching. I used to be a full time commentariat of the peace of bust variety, now i have rationed connectivity but i hope my judgment will act as a measure to treasure filter for at least my fans who seem to be lagging so much at the mo that my 13.000 volumes have no placement other than storage and no readers, let alone standing. Between you and www.seercentre.co.uk Scotland has a lot going for it.... except i expect the 'flood-feed' i feared would visit holland once again may drift in yalls directions .. rather than my books.

first channel response
February 26, 2010 1:44 AM

piet said...

check out iraq for sale
rock for sale poetry
http://www.myspace.com/ryanharvey1

when are we gonna hear your voice then eh????

sooner than mine prolly rite?
February 26, 2010 2:07 AM

piet said...

Making folk a threat again!
http://riotfolk.org/
February 26, 2010 2:09 AM

piet said...

wv on above: crfacket ... i think i need to launch a word verifier career
February 26, 2010 2:12 AM

piet said...

http://riotfolk.org/popup.php?p=lyrics&id=328
Privatizing Iraq - The IMF and the Economic Invasion

By: Ryan Harvey, October 2006

via the lyrics page AND from behind the 'lyrics link' (not from 'iraq for sale' though), can't find it here:
http://riotfolk.org/?m=ryanharvey&p=music
February 26, 2010 2:16 AM

piet said...

fresh, for howard zinn

We're standing on the shoulders of people
Who sat, and stood, and fought
And sacrificed their lives at times
So that we'd be better off
I'm talking bout ordinary people
Whose courage held them through
We need many Harriet Tubmans
And we need many Sojourner Truths

Ordinary Heroes

In the factories in Lawrence
And the mines in Trinidad
Grew a spirit of resistance
That spread across the nation
And lit a fire that burned so bright
That it still gives people hope
We need many Big Bill Haywoods
And we need many Mother Jones'

Ordinary Heroes

Great changes don't come about
From some mystical twist of luck
They're the fruits of people sweating and stressing
And never giving up
It takes a lot of hard work and commitment
To lift every voice and sing
We need many Ella Bakers
And we need many Martin Luther Kings

Ordinary Heroes

We're standing on the shoulders of people
Who fought with life and limb
And passed along their trials and errors
To future generations
And the stories that we pass along
Will be the force that draws us in
We need many Woody Guthries
And we need many Howard Zinns

Ordinary Heroes
February 26, 2010 2:17 AM

piet said...

http://www.archive.org/download/TheNewEnclosures/TheNewEnclosures_vbr_mp3.zip
54Mb album
February 26, 2010 2:21 AM

one from all vs all from one

comment-2515


Nor do you ...
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"....why capitalism is in perpetual crisis. It would be in perpetual crisis even if there was no fiat money at all, and all money was metallic."
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well ....., waidaminnit, the slow increment of metal (or commodity baskets with real seed, handtools and musical rockgrinders in mine) is a healthy brake on all this take the money and run away computation power and prowess.
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"This is because, as each industrialist automates his production process, he gains market share temporarily by cheapening his unit output cost, but when they are all fully automated, there is no profit left to share around."
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Mmmm, the role of automation in real estate value could stand a little scrutiny, .... getting too big to fail is approaching a point of tide change/(no re)turn, the stage in the old sloshpump boil, bank and bail battle between bond and share where formerly rising stars plummet and lose prestige yet/but get honoured (as well as honorated) saved by the bell of long term dependability; iow, even if little gambles on rising location location occasion occ up as zion value did not pan out (as anything but what the dutch call 'bezigheidstherapy', keepmbusy ... at great material cost and keeping collective trauma safely ensconced in unquestioned 'comfort zones'*) the bets that the perimeter remains inviolable and bonds are honoured we just shift the taxburden to everybody. this contradicts the many are called few chosen, much tried little succeeds doctrine and approaches the omniangle cover all centrality tries for.

After big bail outs all get to work off crimes a mere few commited instead of all profiting from those disCERN n earn-a-lotters whose sole ambition, pride and joy, hence highest reward is not those faux bets with nothing but a growing swirl of plastic debris# to show for them, but instead, as they should be, ARE in line with sphere of influence - satisfactory approval easily readable on every square unit you care to measure within it by simply observing animals. I was in Tessin on a once rich grazing and collecting (maroni) slope with a stag doing his 'where's the party, goddammit!' call, which of course set off a refinement in my thoughts on money and/vs coin of the realm (rockdust). If this confuses anybody they have but to search out my thoughts on Cernunnos and the bags of coins he empties into the grounds around him&.

* +
& emptiness instead of wet and dry greys symbiotating into green
# -
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"Only fresh labour generates fresh profit."
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if you really thought so you would certainly study demographics and folks like sapolsky and perhaps cite filled sitemaker of among others neoteny.org a lot more
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"This is why telecoms, and other high-tech automated consumer industries, are such perennial loss-makers.
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your (and any) prod/cons division is (are) ultimatelyy just that, divisive and artificial. One works one's way into what one won't do without.
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" Take a look at Das Kapital, Vol III."
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why do i keep on thinking you will once start recommending Ulrich von Beckerath instead, like i do?

comment on Drew Hempel comment

http://mothershiplanding.blogspot.com
mother's hip or m other ship?

Great Galactic Ghoul comments on his post
"Homophonic Induction and the Homunculus":

Well I've studied in Costa Rica, Morocco, Venezuela, Alaska, etc. Marx was right about "primitive accumulation." Whether global warming is natural or not is irrelevant because humans are part of nature. That's the deeper issue -- humanity coming to terms with accepting that Nature is in control. The global warming models rely on quantum chaos -- it's discrete math whereby the computers provide the "logic." Obviously computers don't care if humans survive or not -- in fact the math has been that way since it was created -- what I call the "surplus value of consciousness."

So the ecological crisis is real only as a mirror of technology as the religion of humanity. We want more and better technology and therefore the ecological crisis will get worse and then we'll need more technology to "save the planet." Humans are replacing themselves by machines -- based on incorrect logic about infinity. This is a Western process (since 10,000 BCE) -- so those on the periphery of the empire have known this for centuries. Now we are experiencing what I call "Imperial Implosion."


Piet:

into the sixth minute of a fast paced image sequence from a wide range of movies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=966VUOaJ5sQ

we hear the narrator speak of theories* about alledged plans (of the hegemonic pop control variety) behind those trying to convince us we have a climate emergency on our hands.

* - trans- or 'intergenocidal' ..4 google results..

As Steve (the maker of that youtube linked at the start, his user nick is soundlessdawn) says that 'the keys are in our hands' he shows some young person blowing away a 2 legged fishlike creature .. so ... he is in need of the ideas i try in vain to distribute ..so far i have some footage of a jaw crusher but instead of me showing within 5 miles of a rainbow gathering in an 18 wheeler loaded with fruit seed soil dust and fabric, sieves, pumps and hose .. as i had expected to be able to by now back in the eighties, i see a bunch of youtubes with paranoid FS officials using their tasers and peppersprayguns in 'kid village'. Mmmmm, maybe that is why i have started to study the schitsoiddity of Charles Manson that bad boy antichrist.

After a longer comment on Steve and his buddy Jake Kotze that i wrote yesterday but cannot access now i concluded these guys are so busy showing how everything is connected (by evil intent trying to prepare for the inevitable, losing the kind of control they foster and cherish) that they forget to leave hollywood fantasyland and look at some real scenes (the attempt to tie in extremely large scale and far off phenoms, like the midgalactic barrage of particle accelerator like photon belt doesn't help any in that regard).

The solution is similar to the parallel ones in economics. One can not and certainly not in a swell foop or revo type toss .. get rid of systemic problems but one can argue against it all using humility and common sense, fighting back we win one meme, one mind, one channel, one certain program fanset, one province, one hearer- and/or viewership at a time. These patterns have their own gears and resonances. Pacifists must believe in volition and voluntarizing cause it is the best tool in their box.

So, qua climate, take care of your microclimate, a scale on which climatechange is palpable quite rapidly .. though not as rapidly as that Paul Laffoley asserts in the rustbelt films flick* and take every chance you get to widen it without neglecting it plant such a more and mode far and wide.

This is where my wound gulf rift split sits. Right in my homeless Wanderschaft (wandershipshopshaper, bragger, phantasmic music(x) searcher and recognizer chasin that musical rockgrinder ...down .... the road .... again ... still).

(x) - "music phantoms" “Music Phantoms: Uncanned Conceptions of Music from Josephine the Singer to Mickey Mouse.” SubStance 58 (1989): 3-24.

In economics i have tried to do my bits raising awareness levels of cooperative, communicative versions of capitalism through self help schemes that can start as modestly as gardening by collecting info on complementary or community currencies.

Not that, again, i have even joined any of them very closely.


*
-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PmtvZazcjc "Laffoley's odyssey" (rustbelt films, directed by roger bourdeau)

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the only film uploaded by this person (pdog)

11.236 views for this one

the most outrageous remarks ever recorded out of PL's mouth, starting with his tensigrity construct ideas for a line to the moon .. made out of sand so we don't interfere with radiation. The prizewinning nuttiness of statements and drawings like these are solidly contested by his assertions we could/should bio engineer seed to mature in 3 months, which will then be the time needed to grow a house

"my overall plan is to have the earth covered in a single vegetable"

Paul articulates this (death/posthum((on))gous)wish:

pour the studio he spent a bigger percent of time than the best hermit in the most irresistable of caves, full of lucite, allow time to dry and shoot into space as a way to honour how paul feels when he is working.


So how does that German M Werner (breatharian in the dailymail, link at Drew's - or dru's as his gnn.tv account has it) manage to do all that circulation ... unconsciously? Is he a natural?

Is that like not needing to circulate airbubbles (big ones up and tiny ones down as wessel di wesseli does or wants to do rather) with cumbersome constructions that break down and wear out but still get energy to run computers and stuff??

Ps: funny coincidence happened at http://niqnaq.wordpress.com
Just as i was looking at William Guy Carr a little closer (I did mention that hour long world affairs analysis from 57 online didn't i?), Rowan wrote a post on the fella.

Well within the top 444 of all time best blog posts

Piet: In fact this musage (by Roger Gathman) is easily on the short end of the 88 best blog posts from the first decade we have had to contend with them best we could even! (make a pilgrimage and walk around it 11 times for me please, and certainly do NOT skip comments.

http://limitedinc.blogspot.com march 21 2008

Men in chains 3
Livy’s history was the hunt and peck book for generations of philosophes. Machiavelli wrote his discourses about it; Montesquieu studied it for L’esprit de lois; and, I’d contend, Rousseau opens his Du Contrat Social, an essay that begins with an epigraph from the Aeneid, with a reference to it: “L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers.” As LI has been pointing out (with my usual autistic artistry, winding theme around theme) in my Man in Chains posts, the chain looms large in the history of freedom – and it seems that the ideologues of freedom have been a little too hasty in consigning the chain to the figurative, all the better to speak of freedom as a matter of will, or of rights. But the figurative does seem to operate a return of the repressed, a memory of irons, of yokes, of chains, which runs through Rousseau’s essay and contacts the plebian notion of freedom, as expressed in such fons et origo texts as Livy’s history.
In George Dow’s Slave Ships and Slaving, there’s an account by J.B. Romagne of life aboard La Rodeur, a slave ship that entered the Calabar river in 1819, and loaded up with Africans, intending to sell them in Guadaloupe. This was life in the chains completely:
“ Since we have been at this place, Bonny Town in the Bonny river, on the coagt of Africa, I have become more accustomed to the howling of these Negroes. At first, it alarmed me, and I could not sleep. The Captain says that if they behave well they will be much better off at Guadaloupe; and I am sure, I wish the ignorant creatures would come quietly and have it over. Today, one of the blacks whom they were forcing into the hold, suddenly knocked down a sailor and attempted to leap overboard. He was caught, however, by the leg by another of the crew, and the sailor, rising up in a passion, hamstrung him with a cutlass. The Captain, seeing this, knocked the butcher flat upon the deck with a handspike. “I will teach you to keep your temper’, said he, with an oath. “He was the best slave in the lot.’ I ran to the main chains and looked over; for they had dropped the black into the sea when they saw that he was useless. He continued to swim, even after he ahd sunk under the water, for I saw the red track extending shoreward; but by and by, it stopped, widened, faded, and I saw it no more. ”
Dow records an auction of items ‘suitable for a Guinea voyage’, held at the Merchant’s Coffee house:
One iron furnace and copper, 27 cases with bottles, 83 pairs of shackles, 11 neck collars, 22 handcuffs for the traveling chain, 4 long chains for slaves, 54 rings, 2 travelling chains, 1 corn mill 7 four pound basons, 6 two pound basons, 3 brass pans, etc., etc.” … In Livy, Book 2, a section is devoted to the first secession of the Plebs – which forms the background, incidentally, to Shakespeare’s Coriolanus – which occurred as the plebians and the patricians fought over liberty in the city after the successful conclusion of three small wars, the final one against the Volscians. The disturbances in the city, according to Livy, were always about the same thing – debt. The first story that gives rise to uproar is this one:
“An old man, bearing visible proofs of all the evils he had suffered, suddenly appeared in the Forum. His clothing was covered with filth, his personal appearance was made still more loathsome by a corpse-like pallor and emaciation, his unkempt beard and hair made him look like a savage. In spite of this disfigurement he was recognised by the pitying bystanders; they said that he had been a centurion, and mentioned other military distinctions he possessed. He bared his breast and showed the scars which witnessed to many fights in which he had borne an honourable part. The crowd had now almost grown to the dimensions of an Assembly of the people. He was asked, `Whence came that garb, whence that disfigurement?' He stated that whilst serving in the Sabine war he had not only lost the produce of his land through the depredations of the enemy, but his farm had been burnt, all his property plundered, his cattle driven away, the war-tax demanded when he was least able to pay it, and he had got into debt. This debt had been vastly increased through usury and had stripped him first of his father's and grandfather's farm, then of his other property, and at last like a pestilence had reached his person. He had been carried off by his creditor, not into slavery only, but into an underground workshop, a living death. Then he showed his back scored with recent marks of the lash.
On seeing and hearing all this a great outcry arose; the excitement was not confined to the Forum, it spread every where throughout the City. Men who were in bondage for debt and those who had been released rushed from all sides into the public streets and invoked `the protection of the Quirites.' The formula in which a man appealed to his fellow-citizens for help." ----
Livy mixes news of the wars with news of the uproars of the plebians. Finally a dictator was chosen, and the Volscians were defeated. But still there was debt, the increasing power of the creditors over the debtors.
“The moneylenders possessed such influence and had taken such skillful precautions that they rendered the commons and even the Dictator himself powerless. After the consul Vetusius had returned, Valerius introduced, as the very first business of the senate, the treatment of the men who had been marching to victory, and moved a resolution as to what decision they ought to come to with regard to the debtors. His motion was negatived, on which he said, `I am not acceptable as an advocate of concord. Depend upon it, you will very soon wish that the Roman plebs had champions like me. As far as I am concerned, I will no longer encourage my fellow-citizens in vain hopes nor will I be Dictator in vain. Internal dissensions and foreign wars have made this office necessary to the commonwealth; peace has now been secured abroad, at home it is made impossible. I would rather be involved in the revolution as a private citizen than as Dictator.' So saying, he left the House and resigned his dictatorship. The reason was quite clear to the plebs; he had resigned office because he was indignant at the way they were treated.”
It was then that the plebians made the famous decision to withdraw in a body from Rome. The patricians sent Menenius Agrippa, to address them, “an eloquent man, and acceptable to the plebs as being himself of plebeian origin. He was admitted into the camp, and it is reported that he simply told them the following fable in primitive and uncouth fashion. `In the days when all the parts of the human body were not as now agreeing together, but each member took its own course and spoke its own speech, the other members, indignant at seeing that everything acquired by their care and labour and ministry went to the belly, whilst it, undisturbed in the middle of them, did nothing but enjoy the pleasures provided for it, entered into a conspiracy; the hands were not to bring food to the mouth, the mouth was not to accept it when offered, the teeth were not to masticate it. Whilst, in their resentment, they were anxious to coerce the belly by starving it, the members themselves wasted away, and the whole body was reduced to the last stage of exhaustion. Then it became evident that the belly rendered no idle service, and the nourishment it received was no greater than that which it bestowed by returning to all parts of the body this blood by which we live and are strong, equally distributed into the veins, after being matured by the digestion of the food.' By using this comparison, and showing how the internal disaffection amongst the parts of the body resembled the animosity of the plebeians against the patricians, he succeeded in winning over his audience.”
Thus, the famous apology of Menenius Agrippa. It is striking to me that the stomach, which is described as the hub of the body – it returns nourishment by way of blood to all parts of the body – is maintained by the chain-like actions of the body’s ‘accidents’, its minors, its rude mechanicals – Hands to mouth, teeth to mouth, mouth to stomach. Here the body divides into two, one part of which is linked together by a chain of debt that must be paid to support the other part, the center and hub. An invisible chain links together all those acts by which we survive, and the body’s possibles – its particulars, its bits – become, each separately, slaves, insofar as the slave is defined, practically, as the one who is in irons. Until, of course, we are useless: “…for I saw the red track extending shoreward; but by and by, it stopped, widened, faded, and I saw it no more”
Posted by roger at 10:27 AM 9 comments
P.M.Lawrence said... 'An invisible chain links together all those acts by which we survive, and the body’s possibles – its particulars, its bits – become, each separately, slaves, insofar as the slave is defined, practically, as the one who is in irons. Until, of course, we are useless: “…for I saw the red track extending shoreward; but by and by, it stopped, widened, faded, and I saw it no more”'.
Avoiding this sort of suffering, of course, is part of the reason why civilised societies had provisions in their slave laws preventing slaves being freed against their will, so that those who became useless wouldn't be turned out to perish (the other part being, to minimise slave unrest at the prospect).
7:42 PM
roger said... Since in all Southern states in the U.S., blacks could not testify in court, leaves sort of a big gap in the law, don't you think? Making one suspect that such laws were for show - just as the 1685 code noir in Saint-Domingue contained a host of provisions forbidding most of the practices that were routine on Haitian sugar plantation until overturned by the successful expulsion of the whites.
It is amazing what a hollow shell laws become in a l'univers concentrationaire.
9:05 PM
P.M.Lawrence said... No, the laws were not for show; they had the practical purpose and real achievement of reducing slave unrest. There was a slave revolt in the British West Indies because of the threat of emancipation, until the transitional tutelage arrangements were made clear. Granted, just such destitution was thrust upon the coolies that had replaced those slaves, when the indenture system was reformed out from under them without the final gratuity or passage home they would have received at the normal end of their indentures (as recorded by V.S.Naipaul), but as Winston Churchill remarked, it would have been a terminological inexactitude to call them slaves - so, there was no reason for them to get slavery's benefits.
Even Islam had such laws; Burton explains them in a footnote clarifying something... odd... in the Tale of the Third (? uncertain) Eunuch, when that unfortunate explained how he came into his estate while a slave boy. After greatly harming and offending his master, the master decided he was more trouble than he was worth and proposed turning him loose. The slave reminded his master that he couldn't do it without consent (here fell the footnote), so the master simply bludgeoned him unconscious and sent for a barber who, doubling as a surgeon, castrated the unconscious boy.
Now, I know we cannot take a story as an authority in itself, but this was supporting background material to add verisimilitude; we can take it that Islam would not be surprised at beating a slave unconscious and castrating him, or that this should seem more lawful and practical than freeing him against his will, the simpler, cheaper and otherwise preferable alternative.
12:41 AM
roger said... Yes, the laws were for show. Evidence from the British caribbean in the shadow of looming emancipation notwithstanding, the Southern slave codes were a farce, the code noir was systematically flouted in the greatest slave factory in the Western Hemisphere, Saint-Domingue, and Arab slavery is a vast subject about which there are varying codes and customs. Orlando Patterson presents the authoritative account of manumission in Slavery and Social Death - but the logic of your position, I have to say, is a little absurd. Of course, the slave who was freed would have a hard time compared to the peasant because in most of the world up until very recently, one depended on one's family as one got older. And guess what? The slave's family was either - in slavery in the neighborhood, in slavery far distant from the slave, or in Africa. So the argument is, of course, pretty absurd to begin with.
Not all slave systems were meat factories like the Saint-Domingue plantation system, but all slave systems depended much less on unenforceable law and much more on economic rationality and conventions that would shame the slave owner. And even those were weak - Robert E. Lee's family, for instance, were known as---- "good" ----masters, but they didn't hesistate to sell their slaves when they needed money to slavetraders who sold them West.
7:09 AM
P.M.Lawrence said... Sigh.
In general, when masters went beyond what the law allowed, which of course they were tempted to do, they were throwing a cost on the wider public. Slave laws were often ineffective, for that reason - but still valuable for the society that had slaves, by minimising the trouble having them around caused. There was a public interest in enforcing them, even if that was often difficult; they were not adopted for show but for public order, just ineffective in many cases. And, of course, different societies had different systems; Roman slaves were even entitled to pay they could save towards buying their freedom, the---- "peculium". Consider what would have happened in a Roman household that withheld this...
Unlike other parts of the slave codes, there was a feature to the provisions against involuntary emancipation that made them enforceable: the victims were not slaves in a position where their masters could control any justice that could reach them. Furthermore, there was a constituency that objected to slaves being freed when they were no longer of use: those who feared having them around if they were ineligible for relief, and who feared paying for relief if they were. (This, of course, is largely why places like Virginia required free blacks to leave, while free states like Illinois were reluctant to have them arrive.)
The argument is not an absurdity; it is a real consequence of a system then obtaining. If absurdity there be, it lies in the system, not in what I present. Emancipation could harm its recipients. Not only did this befall the coolies I mentioned, missionaries described it among former convicts in French Guiana; convicts feared freedom at the end of a long sentence, from seeing the plight of these libérés (who were still confined to the colony but no longer receiving even the poor board and lodging of convicts), and they feared doublage, an administrative punishment doubling their sentences that prevented them being able bodied at the end of their sentences. There was nothing absurd about freedom being a threat to some slaves.
2:02 AM
roger said... Nothing absurd in individual cases, but the case you are making makes little sense, Mr. Lawrence. As long as a slave is vendable, there is a huge hole in the notion that the involuntary emancipation of slaves was a problem. Since they could be sold, those who resist emancipation could simply be stuffed in the pipeline. And the sales, in the American case, tended to be westward. Why? Because the slave system became rougher and less selective as you moved west. Thus, a slave that, for instance, didn't want to be separated from his family and 'resisted' emancipation could easily be dealt with by the next slave trader that came along.
Emancipation would have contingent casualties, of that you are no doubt correct, but the casualties would not be the result of some human slave code being annulled, but of improvisational master-slave arrangements being disturbed - quite a different thing. Your example from Guiana is a perfect example of why an argument that singles out a humanistic strain in a code without examining the code in context is a poor use of analytic energy - it is reminiscent of the Stalin era practice of giving---- "pardons" ----to convicts who---- "volunteered" ----to continue working on convict labor projects. Freedom, here, simply names another form of punishment.
9:54 AM
P.M.Lawrence said... "...the case you are making makes little sense..." ----How so? If you are suggesting there is some internal contradiction, what is it? If some discrepancy with observation, what? But if you are simply stating that it is contrary to common sense or something of that sort, you are making theory trump fact.
"As long as a slave is vendable..." ----- who said they were, at any rate at a price to cover transaction costs? Slavery in England was abolished after a court case in which a visitor from overseas turned a sick slave out, but tried to reclaim him after a kind stranger looked after him and brought him back to health.
"Your example from Guiana is a perfect example..." ----Which example? I cited both French and British Guiana, in the convicts and the coolies. French Guiana lacked such provisions, and British Guiana had only had slave codes for slaves. Those examples were to highlight the chronic problems that arose from not having similar provisions for things that were not technically slavery; they are a reference comparison. You accurately condemn the improvisational problems, failing to note that these cases contrast with those where slave codes had such arrangements, they do not illustrate what happened when they were in place.
8:21 PM
roger said... Mr. Lawrence, your example of the abolition of slavery in England doesn't have to do with slave codes, but with the abolition of slavery, as you yourself say - the enforcement of a code that brings about the abolition of the object of the code is a very odd code indeed. The enforcement of laws concerning speed limits do not bring about the abolition of driving.
However, we are getting somewhere. Your case from England seems to demonstrate that either the slave system is such that slaves can be sold - in which case slave codes can be easily flouted - or not, in which case the inadequacy of the slave code is such that slavery itself is abolished. The system would make no sense, from the slaveholder's point of view, if the slaveholder were forced to feed and care for slaves against his or her will.
To understand the slave systems in the new world, the key is that the slave can be sold. In geographically smaller societies, such as Trinidad, selling slaves was not the threat that it was in, say, Georgia, but it was an element that governed the features of slave families - which is why, in fact, in Saint-Domingue the domestic supply of slaves was never adequate. Women had no reason to have children, and would try as much as they could to abort them, unless they escaped to a Maroon society.
The Spanish code was generally considered the most humane, but it was modified or simply ignored in high profit areas, such as Cuba. The British, notoriously, when they took Trinidad from the Spanish, introduced their own code, which abolished the Spanish route to manumission for slaves - they could no longer purchase their freedom - and fined planters if, for instance, they did not make their slaves work on Saturdays. As A. Meredith John points out in a study of Trinidad demography, under the new British code---- "led to the deterioration of the conditions that the slaves had enjoyed under Spanish law." ----In the British and American systems in particular, manumission became much rarer.
But, you might say, ah ha, the Spanish code then was this humane system, thus showing that civilized human beings did modify the slave system. But only when the system was small, as in Trinidad, and only so long as the produce of slave labor did not lead to great wealth for the planters. Hugh Thomas, in his history of Cuba, reports that the 1789 code, which was the same humane code that worked in Trinidad, was a---- "dead letter" ----in Cuba.---- "instruction in the Catholic religion and attendance of priests on feast days; the proportion of men to women and hours and years of work; the punishment and the health provisions - all these were ignored." ----As Thomas points out, the slave code was even published in Cuba because the slave owners were afraid the slaves might see it.
7:43 AM
P.M.Lawrence said... "Mr. Lawrence, your example of the abolition of slavery in England doesn't have to do with slave codes, but with the abolition of slavery, as you yourself say" ----- No!
I did not give an example of the abolition of slavery in England, I gave an example of the events that led to the abolition of slavery in England, to illustrate that when there were no effective provisions against involuntary emancipation, it could indeed happen that slaves were freed against their wills rather than being sold somewhere. It is a counter-example refuting your assertion about that. I have been trying to penetrate your blind spot in this matter, what some have called---- "invincible ignorance".
As for---- "Your case from England seems to demonstrate that either the slave system is such that slaves can be sold... or not, in which case the inadequacy of the slave code is such that slavery itself is abolished", that is a false dichotomy. That is how things played out in that time and place, but it is quite clearly not enough to generalise from like that.
"The system would make no sense, from the slaveholder's point of view, if the slaveholder were forced to feed and care for slaves against his or her will" ----- you are applying a micro rather than a macro measure. It did indeed make sense to have such arrangements, because the usual case was that a parcel of slaves remained more valuable in aggregate when those who became useless were cared for - carrot was cheaper than stick. Think of it as a form of social security at plantation level.
The rest is accurate, but remains a digression; accuracy does not save it from being a digression. (For what it's worth, codes of the late 18th century, when adopted, were often adopted for show by the adopters, but on the one hand those who enacted them meant them, and on the other hand places like Mauritius and Réunion cared so little for show that they were provoked into rebellion rather than adopt them - hypocrisy just wasn't that compelling.)
You might like to read the introductory part of Nassau Senior's work on Wages, available on the internet, where he goes into the economics of slave areas. It gives some useful background. We know from history that the usual evolution was away from chattel slavery, via serfdom where people were attached to the land (and could be supported in infirmity by their neighbours, but not evicted in practice), to landlordism in which they could be evicted more easily. Slavery made more sense when free labour could conveniently set up on its own (which led to reaching a modus vivendi with maroons, escaped slaves and their descendants who had done just that, to kick the ladder away after them and - poacher turned gamekeeper - keep out later runaways), and landlordism made more sense when free labour had to take what was offered - and then, less explicit stick being needed, less carrot was justified. In his North America Trollope records that custom had brought Kentucky to the middle stage by the time of the American Civil War.
8:13 PM

fixed the links

they are good

I discovered 14 files made in 2005 are missing

in english these:

WardChurchill3.htm
nov05.htm
oct05third (196K)
oct05twee (185K)
oct05 (187K)

july05 (126K)
june05too (89K)
june05 (172K)
may05too (163K)
may05 (153K)


files in dutch missing

---- nazomer05 (145K) ----

---- zomer05.htm (155K) --- NO MATCHES
---- voorjaar05twee (158K) --- NO MATCHES
---- laatste04 (56K) ----- NO MATCHES


retrieved 5 on top of an earlier 4 older files via the wayback machine though. Thanks!

more particulars in the next post down.

wow, just wrote this as the 155th draft .. . .

what synchrony with Saddam being seal 155 and missing also .. . .irretriebably? Not if you go by Jose Arguelles, entirely in sync with what the boulevard press folks choose to focus on (visit http://www.lawoftime.org to see for yourself).

HELP ME RETRIEVE MISSING FILES (19 of them made in 2005 and posted to the 'domain' http://members.lycos.nl/vadercats now defunct except for the front page restarted a third time after discovering the missing files and trying to reason with Lycos ... about as impossible as reviving Saddam i guess).

Just commented this at Hyperstition:
"… to steal sd's term, is the hunger for an unambiguous casus belli, consolidating itself as a virtual mega-atrocity against 'oneself'."

Riiite, well, my host, the owner of the terminal i worked from a lot in 2005 threw out all my maps from that year, the ones left afte i caved in to her nagging about space and i went to make backups on usb of sight and sound so i could schlepp 'm to the Resuckle Bin. You are saying i did that and i am in denial instead of her? Possible i suppose... ..

Took me all this time before i went and looked at saves stuff to take stock of my efforts.

ps: anybody save the files i made that year someplace retrievable? Even google doesn't seem to remember what logbriefer meant to the crowd that spammed me into a rank 4 position. Good for all involved no doubt, yet i feel a nagging loss.

The disk on which said atrocity took place has been defragmented a lot since, does that means the free data recovery from places such as http://hiren.info are gonna be no good?
piet exalias vadercats | 02.03.07 - 1:13 pm | #

nov05.htm
oct05third (196K)
oct05twee (185K)
oct05 (187K)

july05 (126K)
june05too (89K)
june05 (172K)
may05too (163K)
may05 (153K)

march05 (168K)
jan05
winter0405 (166K)



in dutch:
---- /mei04.htm (51K) ----
--- zomer04.htm (117k) ---
---- nazomer04.htm (121k) ----
---------- herfst 04 (118k) -----------
------------- herfst 04 twee (147K) -----------
------ voorjaar05.htm (157K) ------

----------- voorjaar05twee.htm (158K) ----------

'Grounding parade'

(see last link if you don't have much time)

i'm gonna borrow that for a title post; it's from this

comment: http://www.haloscan.com/comments/hyperstition/8730/#242075

piet - Chinese do a lot of that kinky vegeto-engineering, woven trees etc. We've even got one in the apartment (common type of slowly knitted house-plant). So it's not just teutonic phytological parade-grounding, although I can see why it looks like that ...
Nick 12.08.06 - 2:38 pm #


My answer there 3 days later:

http://www.too-late.ch/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=10288
http://www.turn.ch/danceoutwef/?page_id=7

Here's a large series of parade pictures from Bern Switserland; about a hundred lefties with slogans such as 'rich hearts instead of fat profit' and the like leftoid 'catextoskism', .. .as if money shouldn't or can't or won't again be what enriches the heart as the means that makes matter and spirit meet and bond in the middle as heart and soul.

I wrote words to that effect in response to folks ganging up to oust www.weidenhof.de (from the rainbow list in german) for asking a fee upfront in case one would like to make use of the meticulously clean and dustfree accomodation. A hysterical reaction since there is a vast amount of room to do the rainbow family thing next to and all around it.

Same, however, applies to my objections regarding their plans to have firewalks across or next to the 'sacred' fire planned there this month.

Turns out John Ray's vocal opposition still has people that say the same things JR used to except now there are many and pretty popular descendants from his barbaric point holding techniques (I include Reiki, Quantum Touch and lots of those feminine typ therapies).



Now if you were to go down life's walks and styles depicted on the right hand side in the scheme depicted in the post previous to this one (at indexterity) you'd see what i doubt the chinese drone swarmclone will ever be capable of (without some/your? help; so why don't you smuggle these pictures and everything they stand for into the Chinese daily nick):

http://www.treehousebydesign.com/

look for zoaria's favorites (4 full slideshow series)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Indigene, . digger, amish, hippy, .. pleaching permaculturist?

For pleached permaculture (and especially for it's potential, once enough of us get to keep at it unmolested) you're gonna have to use your imagination but a larger version of the picture is a click away.

After seeing the few versions of this (quite illumating schema, diagram, divide, call to justice and decision regards the paths of life and the hi-ways to hell, this ultimate origin of ethos, piety and common sense) quietly disappear from the net over the last few years, I must break my long blogsilence and put up the one i saved (would love to credit (and converse with) the artist but can't even mention the url i found it at and saved it from (9/5 at 9.55) .

The course of conduct (walk of lif) polarization depicted .. . led up to Marx's pronouncement: 'we are all jewish now' and it's quietly adopted successor: 'we are all capitalists now', (specially after all testy flesh was spent in the world wars). The follow-ups of recent years (as the walls, gaps, gulfs and chasms grew, cleaved and yawned wider respectively) have become (correspondingly) more pronounced (in rapid succesion: 'we are all palestinians now' , 'we are all terrorists now') and prompt me to now offer a grand unified theory of psycho schlock value (that will be shamelessly exploited without a thankyou no doubt, mind you, google doesn't register even a single instance of): 'we are all schizophrenic now' ('- did not match any documents.').

kotsko replaces yesterday's conversation with half a year old one

Well, ain't we happy to have preserved a few comments (posted earlier today/below).

Here's an earlier edition of the etre (eternal return . .. lbo discussion 'sein' as Heidegger saw it, a toothless stein I bet):

adamkotsko.com/weblog/..

as I'm sure patrick mullins will agree, it is scarcely evident that the Troll of Sorrow's openly racist, gay hating, woman hating, humanity hating remarks are actually anywhere near as irritating and annoying as the politely, genteelly, properly and delicately worded racism, homophobia, misogyny and antihumanity discourse that accounts for 90% of what is considered the model in blog decorum. Welcoming the naked wolf to the room full of his brothers in sheep's clothing would not seem to do much damage to the tone of the environment;, and may very well be constructive, ashis company often lures his fellows out from under their wool caps.A strong reaction to this discourse might indicate some anxiety about its appeal.One needs to look closer. You wonder if you should not guard Jewish friends from antisemitism. But of course the sound of antisemitism can be more painful to gentiles who are not antisemites, or who fear they may be, than to Jews. I find some racisms - those presently more dangerous to all of us, to humanity than antisemitism - more painful to hear than antisemitism, because they are the growls of bigger beasts right now, and if you think anti-arab racism is not going to bite you, because you are not an arab, you're quite wrong. It as already bitten; it is going to tear you up.There is something unexamined and knee jerk about this: an idea that the 'line' is clear. If it is a question of explicitness, then yes, there probably is a border everyone can agree on roughly. But surely is can't be a question of explcitiness, of vulgarity. The non explicit, the hidden, the assured, the unconscious, the racist reflexes of 'common sense,' the self-congratulatory 'tolerance' of those who believe themselves free of racism, etc etc., is the more dangerous discourse right now. In these environs, anyhow.My first day at the office in Prague on a consultancy, there was a swastika graffitied on the door. We were an imperialist mission, conquering the media. Were they calling us Nazis? Or Jews? I'd have been interested in finding out. alphonsevanworden Email Homepage 10.06.05 - 4:06 pm http://lecolonelchabert.blogspot.com

dedicated non censorious threads bandwidth and local autonomy

the latter being totally outasite and ouddadawhirld dis day and age we will unfortunately need to restrict ourselves to spoofy little gestures toward the other/right thing halfway.

troll of sorrow is offered his own space


after the first 30 comments were already up I find this place and go:
aaahhhhaa hahh ahah hhhaa!! is grate of course.

so far still only one googly for "troll . .." so make that 'everybody .. this season except google for at least a few minutes bud.

implication is ruder than slander.

I love this thread idea. I had the same happen to me at the defunct graverdammer, a right wing typically non green and therefore shallow muslim watcher site.

Then he discovered that pushing my siglink pulled up mine framed by his site, that caused a recoil in horror and expulsion. The thread is at archive.org in bits and pieces cause, hey, if you're gonna puzzle manyways I might as well promise you a pleached rosebowertreehousegarden. Wait, I am going to fetch pj over at chabert (where he posted again since disavowing such so I'd not trust him if he again denies being this that or another spontaneously spoofed name) by way of nonecontrast (with habitual virtuosity.

Anyway thanks. Hope the lure/bait/leash and shackle holds him here. Saves hunting all across the internet. George Wash. Carver was a million times the man all those who fell for the raise and rise can be.
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Ah doubt you always recognize my comments. I have no plans to post here; nonetheless, I never was ASKING you for anything, clown. What I am telling you is, one, that I have every right to say whatever the F I want really, as long as it is not especially harassing. Thus, I shall continue to use the Net to humiliate, mock, satirize the irrational stooge known as Scott Kauffemme and others including you (kaufmouse has in fact expended far more energy than ah have at this silly game--ah suggest anyone around here to read his most recent blog-yips, which are at least violations of academic honesty, especially for a writing teacher), and that is my right, although Squat, dimwit and mental incompetent that he is, has yet to understand that: in fact ah'm putting together a lil Squat Scottmann comment generator myself (and animated show: Scottie the LIT POODLE!).
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wow. piet the deranged poet maudit! yr even a mockery of whatever remains viable of marxist theory. u don't have shit on me; "pj" who ever that be, doesn't have shittete on moi. I got shietee on thee, tho, Bukharinista. Yr the rightists, like bookarin hisself--ah'm mostly a secularist and empiricist--u the one taking sides with theists here, clown. Yr not in charge of communications, frauds. Even "Colonel" with all of her sentimental blatherings, has enough non-Bookarin and anarchista heart to realize that.
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well, i'm not even halfway through and gotta say sumthin again. Nice colours by the way. Tadday I leafed through a year report of the rockefeller fondlenation, you know, that lackey of the rothschild toolifeforyoojoocroo. And hey they can mouth and print them fine word cause the great big eraser and ubiquitous equalizers (we all mercurians now) makes all words that don't do what beckerath recommended doing in berlin crisis years as loom now poorhips futile empty and preempted. Once they take the shape form and function of zerstuckeltes microcredit we can pourhopes fungibe some more. Plagiarism is weak peanotsee.
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If I don't always recognize your comments, find me a comment on this site, since the ban went into effect, that is from you and that was not deleted.
Adam Kotsko | Email | Homepage | 05.09.06 - 2:35 pm | #

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Yr missing the point. The "ban": what a laugh. Ah not like obsessed with this site, PaddyCo; us seem obsessed with my few posts. ah make a few remarks here and there, pointing out some silly assumption or bia, u usually delete it, like the good Fed snitch you wannabe.

like the Poodlemann you don't even begin to realize the extent of your confusion. Even some ugly empiricism--say Locke-- might help, but ah doubt it.

Anyways, ah'm through here, really. Jus' close the thread then and ah shan't be back too much. So, close the thread, and end it, and ah SHAN"T return: except, say, once or twice on weekends.

(That's right pietster: nazis and stalinists generally start by controlling communi-ma-cations)
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Fine, we'll give it a try. There is no way to turn off comments on a particular thread, so I respectfully ask everyone to refrain from leaving comments.
Adam Kotsko | Email | Homepage | 05.09.06 - 2:57 pm | #

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I used to get quite mad during 99-02 for being erased and started homepages bycause of it, then the fun was to slightly obscure the comments spliced into the quotes at accupunctual rates. These kids are getting you too mad and that's a big help leaving you too little time to take a wallop generous enough to begin understanding the likes of me it seems.

Nazis and stalinists start wresting for the control of communications? Yes, but too bad they have to be so rude and crude don't you think? You're a music man right? ever heard Goebbels' band do the american style music from the 20s making fun of the english? The dutch have been deaf to 20 years of grim shots so the task of sounding zee all arm is awaiting, all charm subdude, straight patient and all
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must music lead to bombs or can it kindle compostage (age of its coming of age on stage). Anybody know a fine pacifistnazionoted turd site I could continue wasting my time at?
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someone responded, so I shall respond briefly in kind.

Piettte, stick to the Rimbaud and CO: no ah'm not musico, nor am I mad or irked: rather amused. I like to read clownspeak, especially when done by a great lil' clown like Squrt Squatmunn. You see him, er, it, and his leetle pals in their POODLE suits; and maybe u shall shortly.

But the great faux pas here is you siding with the Weblog Cadets and their meyer lansky-lite palskis. Fer shame, poette.
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censorious pick off snipery vs contained experiments

In this day and age of nasty uniformity we must be brief on the latter due to a shortage of examples. I suggest you try read some Beckerath (not that he got anybody going) as I do not tire of telling you .. .whenever I emerge from tired of telling you anythingness that is.

Apotheosis (yet another instance) of the classic 'preaching to the choir desire' -- this time starring Louis Proyect, Dennis Perrin, the leninologyspotted blog and marccooper as the ratty prosecutors and stone casters with those (sorta clumsily) asking to crumble them after humblin' themselves enough to wonder if there could possibly be a reason for such last wishes beyond self preservation(montages) and ‘mpug’ (libero) -- coming right up (after that what led up to this) :


At one point things seemed to settle down honkidorily (that is, mikey posts a link, Doug reads it and comments):

radicalsociety.com/article_32_01_01.html
In which George Packer says:

>First of all, I never took a stand on the war in public, so that I
>could have actually faked it in my book and said, "In fact, I
>actually decided on that night of March 19 that I was against the
>war." No one would have known the difference because I hadn't come
>out in favor of it. I'm somehow being punished for having told
>readers, long after it became a very unpopular cause, what I was
>thinking. I thought I owed it to the reader because I'm a citizen
>too. But in a way it's irrelevant. That's not the position I'm in.
>That's not my role. My role was to chronicle, to understand, to
>perceive. Remember that the chroniclers of the Vietnam War, like
>Halberstam and Sheehan-the best ones-were pro-war when they went to
>Vietnam, and they'll say that in their books. They then went to see
>and gradually began to feel that the war, whether or not it could
>have been won in the beginning, was not being won, and they began to
>ask why wasn't it being won, and what did that say about us and what
>did it say about Vietnam; and in the end Sheehan believed that it
>couldn't have been won from the beginning because it was a war of
>Vietnamese nationalism. I don't think Iraq is the same in that way,
>but what's interesting is the change in our political culture, where
>someone in my position, who is essentially doing the same thing, is
>required to issue an apology or a mea culpa. That's recent. That's
>about the culture wars and the Clinton wars and the Bush wars. It's
>not about Iraq.

To which I can only say, fuck George Packer. Just before the war
started, that little creep made fun of Liza for being a naive leftist
for opposing the invasion. He deserves a lot more than being forced
to utter a mea culpa.

Doug

Piet:
things appear ok again but then that damn lenin has to repeat the words with which Perrin slandered poor puggie and a liddul ladur (next post in fact, proving my warning to have been of no avail) this:


http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/ Week-of-Mon-20060501/037637.html

Michael: For Dennis,
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/ 2006/05/juan_cole_the_f.html
Smooches from the Pooches


Dennis Perrin wrote: Laborious, contrived, and right up your alley, asshole.



last substantial contribution leading up to that jilt:

http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk /Week-of-Mon-20060501/037605.html


Michael, you seem to be on permanent halo busting detail.

During the US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq,
Robert Fisk's name came up a lot because at the time
his reports were often linked and excerpted.

You scanned the broad vistas of the Internet to find
whatever counter Fisk articles were available.

More recently, the question of Chomsky's alleged
downplaying of Pol Pot's crimes was discussed. Thanks
to you, I was exposed (via links) to a torrent of
rambling, anit-Chomsky blog posts from all sorts of
odd axe grinders.


And now, you're trying to tell us - via this Weintraub
piece - that Juan Cole's tussle with Hitchens is much
ado about nothing - or worse, an example of Cole's
duplicitousness.

Whenever your bete noir, Chris Doss, mentions, even in
passing, that the peoples of the CIS have mixed
feelings about the Stalin era we can look forward to
an avalanche of URIs about Stalin's crimes.

As if we don't know.


I suspect that if I were ever to become famous and
popular, you'd dive deep into the archives of LBO and
my blog to locate material demonstrating my perfidy.

A simple question occurs: what are you going on about
here?

Are we to believe that Weintraub's 3,577 words add up
to a refutation of Cole's primary point: Hitchens is
performing character assassination jobs for the right?


And you compound your error by responding to Doug's
query with still more links - all intended to make
Cole look shady.


See, here's what I'm driving at...

In West Philly, where I grew up, I'd sometimes find
myself in fights. Strategic viciousness was often
required. For example, I threw a particularly
dangerous bastard down a flight of steps and leapt on
his mellon-sized head to drive my point home (the
point being, stop fucking with me muthafucka).

During these conflicts, my bros always had my back.

We might argue amongst ourselves on sunny days when
the threat level was low but when the shit started we
put pettiness aside and got to work defending our
right to be left the hell alone.

Bro, we are under fire; the shit has started and you
are taking potshots at allies near and far.

If you were with me back in the day and had punked us
the way you're punking folks you should be critiquing
(because no one's perfect) but, nonetheless,
expressing solidarity with we would've considered you
a hindrance - at best - and maybe a problem that
needed solving.

In short, what the fuck are you up to?
.d. -------- "It's a simple equation folks. Prostitution, divided by Hotels, equals dead Elves."

Olly




.. ..and this:

Dwayne and y'all...even those who call me a shit, whatever mh
called me recently, even CB who has a
trouserpress.com/entry.php?a=trotsky_icepick waiting for me ;-)
There are 'tudes expressed here only slightly less loony than what
I've heard since the late 70's on Pacifica Radio on everything from DU
and the fSU and beyond that go unchallanged...example, John Mage
recently wishing the Red Army had conquered Western Europe. That, for
one such as I, compulsive-obsessive that I am, w/ boxes of copies of
The New Masses and The Nation from the 30's and 40's and having talked
w/many an old Communist, Trotskyist or Socialist active over those
decades, most of whom remained on the Left but, w/o much cavilling
admitted that most if not all of the case by those dreaded Trots and
liberal anti-Communists was correct, can only fly into one of manic
URL burst here. (Which I do far less than I used to, no? I mean there
comes a point you just say, CD, CB, just like I have their entrenched
'tudes and let it be...)
My broader 'tude towards Fisk and Fisking, well, I read a bit of
his huge book, was more impressed than I thought I'd be but, would
agree w/ the review in the Nation that drew some blood. Behind my
"Left Activist Consensus Mileau, " says X well I'll just say anti-X is
a ornerniness yes but, also (citing that Walter Lippman Castrofile on
marxmail recently who couldn't get his activist friends to read the
new book by Steven Kinzer, "Overthrow, " a left-liberal book blurbed
by Sy Hersh and Chalmers Johnson 'cuz they said he was
pro-Contra...when he wasn't!) a rage/despair against activists that
latch onto ONE journalist or expert and never read anyone else or look
for critiques.





I didn't know I was a bete noire, but I think
something of this is tied into thinking that a person
in the CIS who has positive feelings toward Stalin is
somehow comparable to some nut waving a Stalin
portrait in a demonstration in San Francisco.

It's not. Old people here actually lived through the
Stalin era. They were in the War. They lived through
the Seige of Leningrad and the Battle of Stalingrand.
Stalin was their hero -- the battlecry was "Za Rodinu,
za Stalina!" (For the Motherland, for Stalin!"). They
were shot at by fucking machine-guns and had their
villages burned to the ground and all the women in
their families raped and they sometimes lived via
cannibalism. And they saved civilization while they
were at it. Good God, how could a little small-minded
amoral prick like Pug possibly understand that? His
major complaint seems to be something like "oh no,
those people in the CPSU said bad things to me once,
my feelings got hurt, boo-hoo, boo-hoo."

Come to think of it, Victory Day (the main Russian
holiday, celebrating the end of the Great Patriotic
War) is tomorrow. I will spend the day thinking solemn
thoughts and smiling with gratitude at all the old men
wearing their Soviet medals I pass on the street.

--- Dwayne Monroe wrote:
Whenever your bete noir, Chris Doss, mentions, even in
passing, that the peoples of the CIS have mixed
feelings about the Stalin era we can look forward to
an avalanche of URIs about Stalin's crimes.

As if we don't know.


Dwayne Monroe wrote:

>In short, what the fuck are you up to?

Good question. Michael seems to have crossed a line from questioning
leftist cant to embracing ruling class apologetics. The first is a
valuable service - I get a lot of pleasure out of doing it myself.
The second, though - well, there's a plentiful supply of it and I
don't see why we need any more.

Doug



follow up:


-037644 Big overreaction, and Doug succumbed too easily, IMO, to the necktie party
which had formed. I disagree with MP on many things and I still haven't
decided whether he is deliberately or just innocently provocative, but I
could say the same about a lot of people I've clashed with politically over
the years. So what? We should be wary of circumscribing the boundries of
"permissable" political opinion so tightly; we're not in a life and death struggle against a counter-revolution, and even if we were, history suggests
revolutions can too easily strangle themselves through the overzealous
pursuit of heretics. Michaels's "crime" was to align himself with some
oleogenous critics of Yoshie and Juan Cole and it was proper for to call him
to order on that, as I and others did. Then we should have moved on to more
important things rather than getting involved, as we used to tell our son
when he'd throw a fit, in "a game of uproar". – Marvin Gandall



Hey, I didn't throw him off, and I wouldn't have.

Doug


oops, once again, he stormed off himself and Doug left this fact, once again, veiled enough to stir the a jumpy conclusionist .. . .mmm, I can think of pleasanter scenarios for the eternal return. Klossowski on Nietzsche anybody?


OK. Now for what went before:

http://leninology..pomaded-lardies-on-shit-flinging-binge.html/
About Yoshie - "By the way, this vexatious wheedle was passed to Marc Cooper by a particularly obnoxious character who frequents Doug Henwood's left-wing mailing list, 'LBO Talk', called Michael Pugliese. Sleazy, sneaky little fucker, don't you think?"

haloscan.com/comments/lenin/..33450#245026
Mike a sleazy and whatever else you care (NOT) to call him?

You are a hair and soul splitting mister know all mudministry mysteries in the book aren't you? You are 2 of a kind in my eyes except mikey is too poor to rant fullofftime like you can and never telling how that came about right? Myster sneaky linealonelyan yourself buddy.


Lenin obviously likes sneering at people who are overweight in the west but only shows indifference to the malnurished and starving in Sudan.

Nice guy.
Sandy 4 May, 11:39 #

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Much like tim / Sandy, who shows indifference to the malnourished and starving in any country that the West doesn't want to invade and pillage, I'm sorry, "free market reforms".

As to piet's latest... is he Francis E. Dec under an assumed name?

pacifier.com/~dkossy/dec.html
Heather B. 4 May, 11:44 #

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here I am, all prepared to go search a bleak thin and emaciated ref to a kindred spirit but lo and behold, his name in fat font right atop and no slimmer this: 'FRANCIS E. DEC, ESQUIRE:
YOUR ONLY HOPE FOR A FUTURE!'

so far so good.

next i remember this site has featured Oscar Kiss Maerth (first author I made an effort to trace (in the flesh back in those days).

excuse me a minnit while i read on.
piet Homepage 4 May, 12:19 #

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ps: I made it into this collection: ratbags.com/ but hey, some folks think that making fun and light of weightiest darkmost grave and serious matters qualifies them as whorlchimps or sumthin.
piet Homepage 4 May, 12:26



not much else left to chop is there? when patrism and/or climate change (talk about circulo vicioso) has turned a place that bleak I'd prefer to look upon them choppers as patients and victims who thrive and multiply when western choppers with that stolen name drone around.



lbo-talk.org../037079.html beginning of a looooooooooong thread concerning all this


MPug quoting LouisP pointing to MP:

>…He got a head’s up on Yoshie’s articles from a character named Michael Pugliese who doesn’t have the guts to join the FBI outright but prefers to snoop on people as an unpaid volunteer.


. .. so .. .anybody got an accurate cite rather than the (misspelled) 'head's up'? .. ... ps: found it later and it’s a shameful slur


hey, that's funny, at the cooper convo (site section 'its-those-jews-again/') the word establishment shows up 19 times (observation valid between about 4AM US ((ChrisD post)) and 15.35 continental eurotime). Funny that .. . after I looked for news of an interesting Hamas ideologue/functionary .. no wait I can do better than that, an establishment Pali Bassam Jarrar who wrote a book on the role of 19 in accurate calendarizing and using gematria to reflect the amounts and measures of time flowing past in the described passage (thought to be a means to stop falsification and making the messenger look good no doubt) and was taken into custody last september.

lenin/114667009623597690/?a=38653#245052



sorry that was 5.15AM and now is 15.55
Piet Homepage 4 May, 15:00 #



Dennis Perrin: And, Yosh, the subject line I chose should clue you in on how I feel about MPug's scurrying over to of all people Marc Cooper. I trust the troll
feeding over there will intensify soon.



I am not sure if he beat Proyect to it or not but saying 'MPug Rats Out Yoshie To Cooper' certainly shows lockstep. Hell, I've posted on extreme right wing sites. What diff does it make to the internal consistency (or non-)? What you left moving right shows up again where you think you're heading if you do so long and far enough.


http://037141.html Mikey makes 'm all look stupid (see previous post too, it's him on sudan in 2004)



and here he is finally, main event and thanks for waiting:
http://...20060501/037130.html Mikey in his very own inimitable style. Consigliere Pugliese here w/ a hurried reply, probably w/ little ofnumerous thoughts and feelings of the last hourthinking about this thread, an offlist e-mail from Julio Huato. Myambivalent, conflicted political identity these last few yrs.(alwaysnot far under the surface memories good and bad, of radical actions ofthe US flag burning and US military base and nuke plant propertydestruction kind) and associations w/ remants of the WeatherUnderground ala PFOC and assorted scurrilous and scholarlyTrotskyists, neo-Maoists, punk anarchists and yes, CB, even CPUSA andex-CPUSA. (More than a few like Bill Sennett, late of the LincolnBrigades and leadership in the Illinois CP, had little troubleadmitting Julius Rosenberg, etc. were spies, doing their proletarianinternationalist duty and would agree w/ the substance of a Trotskyistcritique of Stalinism [or Paul Sweezy's circa 1980], but, would saycomparing the strength of the CPUSA (80K members late 30's vs. 1K, atmost for the SWP and its splits a 'brewin' same period.) But, I rambleavoiding the thread subject ;-) If MRzine means to reach beyond its small audience(Circa 1990, in a small meeting w/ Bob Wing, ex-cadre of Line ofMarch, now w/ UfPJ, which Yoshie seems to have left in disgust, hereviewed w/ us in CCDS, FRSO, Solidarity, DSA, SF Women's Bldg., circulation figures for MR and a dozen other longtime radical leftjournals, all of them in parlous states.) and it was public material, then (albeit defensively) I'd agree w/ Max that what Yoshie and herrespondents on haloscan comment sections said was fair game. (Hitchensbroadcasting the Juan Cole Gulf2000 Gary Sick list translations of theIranian Pres. w/ dreamy eyes on Slate was a low blow.) Why did I send to Cooper's blog? None of my Darfur posts having beenreplied to here and full of bile I sent them there. Though in person awuss who has rarely shouted, get this keypad in front of me and I'mprone to do mayhem...'cuz yes, I do like stirring up shit from afarthat I run away from in personal life, whether familial, w/friends orin the white collar factories I make a sporadic income in. (And thatfill me w/ anger reminding me that whatever my despair about the USLeft in all its ineffectiveness, shallowness and silliness http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/ it emeges out of realinjustices that mainstream upper class liberal Democrats cannot andwill not touch.) Cooper, at least has the virtue of not avoidingsubjects like Castroism or ANSWER , that Daniel Lazare avoid or demogogue, http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060403/exchange . For example thoughThe Nation Books has reissued a classic Left critique of the CubanRevo. by Jorge Edwards, "Persona Non Grata, " that Cooper recommends,how many here would even pick it up?


warning: some folks call MPug 'formattingchallenged' but his priorities lie with reading loads and fast as all too good for peasantry division of labour loving castle occupants must. He has taken to calling himself consigliere. He's as many miles away from understanding people like me as you are myster Leningulagist.

Time for the encore (a link to what I mentioned at the beginning):

ToS holds forth and converses with chabert and here are the relevant bits I tossed in:

paging pj

http://www.adamkotsko.com/weblog/2006/05/troll-of-sorrow-open-thread.html

9:16 PM
Anonymous said...
"pj" ain't gonna help ya, clown.

pj and the Tos (or who u take to be ToS) are not pals or cronies; but ToS is generally cordial to the gent, as he is generally to moi. And pj's no marxist scavenger. But scurry over and help the sunday-schoolers at Weblog: those are the rightists

Yr in need of help, piet; ah suggest for starters, u put down the bukharin primer....

9:35 PM
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and Miss LCC:

I am not using your boards to stir up more phlames, but ah noted that Mssr. Piet hisself has the bellows out, and responded in kind. It's another flare-up of "Ah wannabe a Fed" typical of the weblog narcissists and some of their palskis. WordCrime is the topic du jour, like usual: but anyways ah'm finished here too, since your few anarchista posts seem mostly absent. Whatevah


if you want to rant at censorship and demonization of what is considered overzealous gathering and presenting the other side, in this case by a gregarious speedreader hypesurfer named Michael Pugliese (whom I have many pov changes to thank for) I suggest you target Dennis Perrin (redstateson), Louis Proyect (marxmail) and lenineuloshits (instead of 'm younguns), whose combined mobbing has succeeded harassing MP off the lbo list again where he'd already made himself pretty scarce after a flair-up over some english pro-serbian writer. I shall make a post for it at indexterity shortly.

9:01 AM


.. .at 10.44 I write: that took for ever didn't it (no wonder even digitaloid bodies can't keep on being patient with poo' rockmudmanme).